If their ancestors had remained in Africa would they be better off than they are now? I cant see the point of denying it was all pretty awful. Once insignificant villages, great cities such as Liverpool, Bristol and Glasgow sprang up on the profits of slavery. But Muslims were enslaving white Europeans into Africa long before the Atlantic route, usually castrating the males. Thankfully the Woke have gifted us an all purpos3e response to this sort of crap. The publication in 1852 of Uncle Toms Cabin, by the American abolitionist Harriet Beecher Stowe, swelled national sympathy for the plight of black slaves. Might, in this case, being 100% of the debating point. All in all your typical West African is far more likely to have ancestral connections to the slave trade than your typical Brit. And so, equipped with the fruits of Islamic learning (new navigational instruments, books on astronomy and trigonometry), European explorers set sail for Africa to relieve the natives of their gold. Definitely didnt die out with the Romans. Would probably have taken your suggestion as a challenge. Would, say, Huguenot-descended South Africans suing France over the 1572 St. Bartholomews Day massacre, or Cornish people suing HMG for the suppression of the 1497 Rebellion, deserve compensation? Olusoga brilliantly reveals such contradictions in British society. Sugar plantations were bad. "I don't know why this generation has a different relationship with the past, goes to the past, expecting and looking for different things to earlier generations, but that's really is my observation about them," he says adding the internet has played a huge part. In the end, wholl be proven right about the matter practically, in terms of what the outcome is and what the first drafts of history say? Wider imperialism reparations that include South Asia, China for the Opium Wars and so on, surely even more prohibitively costly, regardless of how effective the education system gets at making young Brits feel a vague sense of guilt about it all. Was never entirely sure which bits were believed and which bits were just a fun bit of intellectual muscle-flexing couldnt all have been intended seriously since so many posts contradicted each other. It was an apt university to experiment with such developments, since Lord Scarman, who reported on the Brixton riots of 1981, was its chancellor. Fought to STOP southern independence. Very often shaped by the political, technological and economic forces of the times if the Western way of life had remained utterly dependent on Roman-style slavery, Im not sure wed ever have abolished it even amongst our own inhabitants. David Olusoga Historian, broadcaster and film-maker. Read about our approach to external linking. I have that estimate saved and ready to be critiqued as part of a larger project. Hey, we do not even have to go that far. The New Statesmans global affairs newsletter, every Monday and Friday. The best and brightest minds in the UK defended Stalins slavery. One sporting event that has captured your imagination I was fortunate enough to get tickets to see some of the basketball at the London 2012 Olympics, so my brother and I went to watch the GB vs. Spain game. To be honest, I was a bit sceptical about the Olympics coming to London, but the atmosphere across the capital was genuinely wonderful . The evidence of this is that seasoned slaves, those exposed to the environment, sold for up to 50% more than new ones. After all, adult males were all but worthless and demand for women might have been enough to drive the trade anyway. And I dont think this is what reparations campaigners are calling for either, as I understand it their argument includes systematic legacy issues not just the period of slavery itself, so the harm relates more directly to them not just their ancestors. Re putting the argument for paedophilia they actually gave Gide the Nobel prize for literature didnt they? It was such a brilliantly organised programme of mass protest that slavery was declared abolished in 1833: 46,000 slave owners were given 20m in compensation (17bn in todays money), the largest payout in British history and 40 per cent of all government spending that year. I brought up paedophilia to demonstrate that there are things not worth my time. Long after he had published Corydon, his defence of pederasty. Cest de la trs bonne dialectique conomique. The book accompanying. It costs money to replace them and after a famine the price of slaves would rise. Not sure how sick this makes me. Id say this to Mr Olusoga. "The small minority whose history had been airbrushed out of the national story recovered that history with the help of their allies and then broadcast it, spread it into our national conversation and they did that within the space of half a century. If the alternative was that they were killed? Olusoga is of half Nigerian descent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr_Gide, Less flippantly, Western countries are not of one mind when it comes to the age of consent sex with a 14 year-old is legal in some countries, criminal in others (yes yes, paedophilia versus ephebophilia etc, you got me). In that moment, his interest in history overlapped. Would the good professor really be so different if genealogical records could prove he had African ancestors who owned African slaves? Later his parents separated from each other when he was just two years old. Im not even saying thats a convincing argument, it has some very serious weak points, just that I reckon its a stronger one than a general appeal about current inequality. Even Bill Clinton had affinity for the USA. I havent the faintest idea whether slavery in the Roman controlled areas of Britain was more along the continental Roman model or retained Celtic characteristics. Mans a loon. My argument is that Africans were probably happily killing each other for women before the West turned up. One of the reasons why the American and Caribbean experiences were very different. Kyle Rittenhouse, unlike the rest of their sorry asses, did something. Anyway, I digress, we did have at some point, a gang of pedos turn up and put their case, reasonably, and were tolerated and conversed with. at scales that were unusual in the long and varied history of slavery, and levels of brutality that stood out too. The economics of the slave trade may have meant that it was cheaper to work someone to death rather than allowing him a comfortable old age. Some were sold to other African tribes and the rest kept as slaves. You may concede a point here, a point there. The world has seen more slavery since its abolition than before. Deliberately shipping that many people that far in order to participate in a newly-created society whose economic system was designed, pretty much from the ground up, around slave labour? But those were in those long-lost days when democrats and republicans could talk to each other and agree to disagree while both leaving the conversation a little the wiser.. I hadnt gotten far when she stopped me cold, pointing out that her best friend, a 15 year old girl knitting beside a window in her house, was machine gunned by an American P-51 pilot. Now Im trying to imagine just what the strongest case for reparations might be, but even in this thought experiment its hard to see what the eligibility criteria for receiving payment should be, what sum should be due, how much proof is required of eligibility not everyone will have a good set of family records etc. But a group of 12 disciples of Christ set out to change things. BurningEars August 30, 2020 at 3:07 pm Theres a flaw in arguments of the form frankly you should be glad I murdered your sister. Within the EU the two most common ages of consent are 14 and 15 (if Ive done my counting correctly), though in some but not all cases thats with additional restrictions on permissible age gaps. I learned the hard way. Intellectually more convincing anyway for practical and political purposes, demolishing a straw-man often makes a better video or audio clip while simultaneously making your opponents position sound stupid. I just dont really get what Olusoga is saying. In the UK its not white people enslaving blacks anymore, but Asians enslaving other Asians, as in Leicesters clothing sweatshops. Tim says there might be some truth to them for the Caribbean. (As the first person to mention the Sokoto Caliphate ahh, forget it.). The UK, Norway, Benelux, Spain, Malta and Switzerland are, I believe, the only western European countries to set it at 16. It's possibly a deeper change than some people realise because I don't think what we're living through is a series of political events; I think we're living through a generational shift," he says. His current research focuses on stress, burnout, and wellbeing in sports, with a particular interest in high-performance environments and elite coaching. David then moved with his mother and three siblings in the north-east of the UK. Hundreds of White women raped every day. A renowned economist has said that $12 trillion should be afforded to black Americans in reparation for slavery to help the close wealth gap.. By this logic, we ought to sue the African American community. ), Who is fundamentally right about reparations for slavery? If you want to pay more tax, just write a cheque to HMRC and send it off. Black and British: A Forgotten History addresses one of the greatest silences in British historiography. Supported by African authors of slave narratives such as Olaudah Equiano and Ottabah Cugoano, they held meetings all over the country, attracting huge crowds. What has he got to say about that? His choice of subject and his choice of material make that very clear. "They look to history not just for inspiration and comfort, not just for heroes and for glorious chapters; they look for history expecting to find challenging stories, painful stories, dark truths, villains as well as heroes. Slaves were crowded in a new environment with new diseases. They may have been turning people they would have killed into a profitable commodity. It can be withdrawn. Should black history be taught all year round? They did not care much for adult males. Those who grew rich on slavery and the slave trade were not neutral and no achievement or act of philanthropy justifies airbrushing their involvement from history.. David Olusoga's Family David Olusoga, age 49 was born to a Nigerian father and a British mother. But there have been other societies with slavery where slaves had more autonomy and a greater chance of buying their freedom. Good point, I wonder how he squares the obviously comfortable living he has writing, opining and broadcasting about slavery with his principles. And he might not find the society withdraws it nearly as comfortable for him to live in. 7 years was the average working lifespan so it is said. It has been reissued by publishing house Hodder and Prof Olusoga has written the foreword. The masses who once supported black freedom now campaigned for the Deep South. Looking at what happened in Haiti or Jamaica or chunks of Latin America, I dont find either well, could have been much worse or what do you expect, Early Modern West Europeans, how could they have known better? to be particularly convincing responses. Quick and essential guide to domestic and global politics from the New Statesman's politics team. Flyover Americans arent going to take it. Joining them is Psychologist and Lecturer at Lancaster University, Dr David Tod, for a fascinating conversation about the psychology of acting. But werent they lucky compared to the other Germans in Stalingrad? Whitey bad, give me cash? But those were in those long-lost days when democrats and republicans could talk to each other and agree to disagree while both leaving the conversation a little the wiser. Id say theres enormous dangers in treating this as if it was some public school debating society gig. David will . Quite possibly slave-raiding Gaels before that. In the late 1800's and early 1900's, 30,000 Jewish migrants from Russia and Eastern Europe settled in Manchester. Like I said, as a mental exercise, if I do my best good faith effort to imagine an argument for reparations, I reckon it would concern harms committed by the state (which unlike the slave traders and owners, is still about today) and an argument that it breached some alleged fundamental/universal doctrine of law so that even the states efforts to put the slave industry on a legal footing were null and void. I have a peeve about the BBC genealogical show Who do you think you are? which I dont know whether has been inflected upon the Left Pond. Thats before you get on to the Khoisan and the Zulus, the Carthaginians and Romans, the Vikings versus pretty much anyone else who lived within raiding distance, Theres a fundamental weakness with all theories of universal law or justice, which is that across time and space, the human conception of what is right and just seems to be extremely varied and rarely (to modern Western eyes) pleasant. He talks about slavery because YOU care. One in which enslaved people suffered and even died from malnutrition, as the economics of the slave trade meant that it was cheaper, at times, to starve people and then replace them than it was to provide them with food. Fuck right off As a winning debating strategy. Would, say, Huguenot-descended South Africans suing France over the 1572 St. Bartholomews Day massacre, or Cornish people suing HMG for the suppression of the 1497 Rebellion, deserve compensation?. No one has said we should not consider someone elses viewpoint. Peter completed his award-winning PhD, exploring stress and coping in elite sports coaching, at Sheffield Hallam in 2012. West Indians fought with the Allies more than a hundred were decorated. They have a game plan & youre falling for it. In fact he is a biased political campaigner working to attack and do as much damage to Britain as he can. Do I feel like I had anything to do it? They all get it from White people inciting violence. His exposure to Nigerian culture seems quite limited. "He was the voice of somebody who wasn't speaking about the past as a historian, but was living it. Even did something positive. 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Olusoga is just getting even because he was attacked by the right when he was a teenager. Black and British: A Forgotten History Slavery within West African societies being different again I dont think the places with very high rates of local slavery were anything like the sugar plantations. Indeed, third-century York may have been more ethnically and racially diverse than present-day York. Writing in english is cultural appropriation so STFU. Two men managed to escape and were rescued, but not before my great, great, grandfather was beaten, starved and worked to death, his body thrown into the jungle for the animals and insects to dispose of. No. Its extraordinary success rested upon the foundation of sympathy laid down during the previous 70 years of abolitionist activity in Britain. Moreover its arguably unjust that only victims of still-extant states have a route to compensation whereas people from ethnic groups roughly contemporaneously massacred, enslaved and sacrificed by the Aztec Empire have nobody to sue. Forbes magazine's extraordinarily arrogant contributor Tim Worstall Jeremy Corbyn. Whether they are too stupid to think of that remains to be seen. That someone did something 200 years ago means double ought nothing.. Latin America for instance. Guess wed have to print it. Then the second. Peter Pan & Wendy is a live-action reimagining of the J.M . Nineteen eighty-four affected him in another way: the publication of Peter Fryers groundbreaking Staying Power: The History of Black People in Britain introduced him to the scholarship needed to understand his position in Britain. If black lives really mattered these people would be protesting the 500 shot dead so far by predominantly black men in Chicago this year. Rather the constitution banned the slave trade and so it become economically worth it to make sure slaves lived longer. It isnt going to happen anyway. It's all down to people in their 20s, those at school and in their teens, who have a relationship with history which, says Prof Olusoga, is profoundly different from that of their parents and grandparents. Video, 00:02:30Should black history be taught all year round? At the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713, Britain was granted the right to supply slaves to the Spanish colonies in the Americas, a right then passed on to the South Sea Company. Abolition was the first mass philanthropic movement in Britain, and it ended the slave trade in 1807. Like I said before, tolerance is in the gift of the powerful. Presumably there were normal times when food was cheap that you fed your workers and didnt seek to replace them in the way Olusoga means. His exposure to Nigerian culture seems quite limited. 1894 shipwreck confirms tale of treacherous lifeboat. And yet anti-black race riots broke out in 1948 in Liverpool and in 1958 in Nottingham and Londons Notting Hill. December 2020. Prof Olusoga, the presenter of the A House Through Time TV series, calls it an act of "historical salvage" to bring to the fore the black British figures who had been "lost in the archives, completely forgotten". There is no reason to single White people out for unique levels of criticism. The race obsessed Department of Education goes to considerable lengths to distinguish Caribbeans and West Africans. That was when the Democrats were still Americans. I suspect that whether records could prove it or not, its overwhelmingly likely to be true, especially since high-status individuals tend to make a bigger contribution to the gene pool. Then a young teenager, he was driven out of his council home, together with his grandmother, mother, two sisters and younger brother, by a sustained campaign of nightly stoning of their windows. He previously worked at JP Morgan for 18 years in a number of senior roles and was . They also ran a slave trade to the Ottoman empire and white slavery in the north without any help from Europeans. That was a bad experience but he should know that you cannot judge a whole country by what happened when he was young. I had a girlfriend whose mother was a Nazi. My great, great, grandfather was one. Married an American GI after the war. (At least in our society) Get over it. That needs to change, The autonomous future is nearly here with Wejo, The need to grow Londons EV infrastructure at speed and scale, From royal trumpeter to chief diver, Miranda Kaufmann uncovers the Africans of Tudor Britain, The big consultancy con, with Mariana Mazzucato, The rise and fall of Nicola Sturgeon Audio Long Reads, Facility / Grounds Management and Maintenance, HR, Training and Organisational Development, Information and Communications Technology, Information Services, Statistics, Records, Archives, Infrastructure Management - Transport, Utilities, Science and Technical Research and Development. Just means they werent alone in being in the wrong. Different people can argue the toss from different viewpoints and perspectives but in many ways their arguments pass each other like ships in the night, because they havent all got nobodys got an absolute frame of reference to judge things with respect to. Had a vault for the more inflammatory pieces. 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