Chris Hayes: That's a hell of a person to plagiarize. And thats just always going to be true. Chris Hayes: Exactly. As a bonus for "The Rachel Maddow Show" listeners, Rachel joins Chris Hayes on "Why Is This Happening? It's easier to do hard work for a long time when you like what you're doing and you like the production of it. I try to tell stories for a living. Like, wait a second, how does this happen? I'm happy to read it. Why is he so upset? Chris Hayes is an American political commentator, journalist, podcaster, producer, and author who has a net worth of $6 million. Chris Hayes is married to Kate A. Shaw who is an associate professor of law at Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law. Similarly, with the great sedition trial in 1944, which is sort of amazing that they brought it in 1944 --, Chris Hayes: Right, yes, right, right, right --, Rachel Maddow: -- given what happened in 1940 when they tried it against the Christian Front, that trial has gone down in history as a failure or as a sideshow or, in some cases, as a debacle because it wasn't a successful prosecution. Chris Hayes: But when youre dealing with something this existential and this core to both the life blood of what liberal democracy is that that system may not be that well-equipped to do it. And I was like were on the Huey Long Bridge, lets play some Huey Long. Chris Hayes: And that's something that comes through in the story you're telling in a way that, I think, we really don't think enough about. I think that our professional, and civic and religious institutions can be strong, but can also be hurt. "Rachel Maddow, you've got some explaining to do," Ball said, but Maddow hasn't stopped anti-Trump speculation. I mean, theres a couple of things here. Politico obtained a purported majority opinion draft of the Supreme Court showing that the court is poised to overturn the 1973 landmark decision Roe v. Wade which legalizes abortions in all states up to the point of fetal viability24-28 weeks gestation. Chris Hayes: And all that nasty unseemliness in '39 and '40 --, Rachel Maddow: We beat them. Chris Hayes: I don't know whose secretary is. MSNBC hosts Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow had a hard time controlling their laughter on Wednesday night over Donald Trump's sheer stupidity. I mean, yeah, weve got really radical right-wing media, but we dont have anything like that. 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Earlier this week, CNN Business reported that Maddow's nightly show will end in 2022. Rachel Maddow: That's why I'm always up after midnight working on this stuff. And I want them to tell that story. Hayes was said to transition better to The Rachel Maddow Show because he is seen as just as policy-oriented as Maddow. They named him Home Run Baker because of how many home runs he hit, and he hit 11. Chris Hayes is . Get the latest news delivered right to your email. Rachel Maddow: James Comey, right? So Susan's annoyed because I'm not working any less. But the effort to force a resolution to it through the criminal law and through the courts didn't work. You may opt out at anytime. The three hosts Joy Reid, Chris Hayes, and Rachel Maddow have led. And his training is all in the clan, right. As Sean Hannity rooted for the likely end of Lori Lightfoots political career, he simply couldnt help himself. Chris Hayes: I told her she's going to hate that (ph), but it is true. Late Show ' s Just One Question, with Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (cameo appearance by Molly . Chris Hayes: Well, that gets to something fascinating to me because we use the term "lost to history." and. So that, to me, was like incredibly exciting. When you are not just doing a highly structured daily deadline, daily production thing, it is harder to figure out where the compartments are. Then, its them. It operated in a way where, like, people maybe hit 10 home runs a year. Rachel Maddow, MSNBC's biggest star, has mentored Hayes, her lead-in at 9 p.m., throughout his time at the network. I would know if that happened, like someone's miscommunicating to me what the topic of this is because, if that had happened, I would know, but it turns out it did happen, I didn't know about it. On July 12, 2021, a photo of Rachel Maddow was posted to the "Community" tab of MSNBC's YouTube account. Rachel Maddow: -- because you have free speech, but you ought to be recognized as a political actor and for the political threat you pose to our system, and there ought to be a response. It's like, yeah, my job does this, but then there's you, inside. This guy, Babe Ruth, comes along, starts out as a pitcher, goes over to hitting. 715: March 20, 2019 () Paul Giamatti, Senator Doug Jones: Aparna Nancherla: Doin' It Donkey Style. That was awesome. And then the prosecutor said they continued their plot. Rachel Maddow: Yeah. Chris Hayes: Yes, but the opening scene of this podcast, you're just, like, I don't know who this guy is. Since then, he has written extensively for The Western Journal on the Trump administration as well as foreign policy and military issues. Chris Hayes: Wait, what's the story? Nico Parker discusses Dumbo. And I've got this good mix of things now instead of just having a supersized serving of one thing that is too much for me to handle. And Rachel is just on another level as a communicator and a storyteller, and incredibly innovative in that respect as well, just at a technical level, which I think we're going to talk about a little bit, even though it's like a little inside (ph). Mark Henle - The Arizona Republic - Pool / AP, Richard Pohle - Pool - AFP / Getty Images, @bennyjohnson / Twitter screen shot; Kamil Krzaczynski / Getty Images, Svet foto / Shutterstock; @FoxNews / Twitter. You know, are you the bishop who asked to decide what to do about Coughlin? Chris Hayes: We should talk about, since its mentioned, the title is "The Christian Front: Coughlins Storm Troopers," and maybe we should talk a little bit of Coughlin because he is a key figure. And were on the train leaving New Orleans heading towards Texas, and were growing across the Huey Long Bridge. And then there's just a person who comes along who's just better at it, just better at hitting baseballs and completely revolutionizes, like, what it is to be a hitter in Major League Baseball. The 34-year-old anchor of Up, MSNBC's 8 a.m. weekend show, invited 15 friends to his one-bedroom apartment in Manhattan's East Village. "The Last Word With Lawrence O'Donnell" and "All In With Chris Hayes" were 37th and 38th, respectively. MSNBC pundit Rachel Maddow recently announced that her partner Susan Mikula tested positive for COVID-19 . Rachel Maddow: And so I think, talking about Coughlin, I mean, his newspaper is called "Social Justice" --, Rachel Maddow: -- right? Oh, thats awesome. At least three prime time MSNBC hosts have changed their tone on Covid-19 vaccines since 2020, Twitter archives reveal. Chris Hayes: -- because its like, look, well, it turned around in the end. And the demand, I am very obsessed in the notion of like the demand side for fascism as opposed to supply side --. You have to work with people who are smarter than you, who keep you on track and bring out the best in you. Signers responded to outreach from three organizations--Just Foreign Policy, RootsAction.org (which I coordinate), and World Beyond War--calling for concerned individuals to "urge Rachel Maddow, Chris Hayes, and MSNBC to correct their failure to report on the humanitarian catastrophe in Yemen and the direct U.S. military role in causing the . Rachel Maddow: Yeah, hes a great interview --, Rachel Maddow: -- but its a great book. They wrote their own books about it. Rachel Maddow: Yeah. The Chris Hayes Podcast" to discuss what she's been up to since dialing back from her nightly cable news show, how she found the story that's told in her new podcast, "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra," the editorial and creative process that has followed, and more. Like, over the generations actually, the people who are the worst actors in this ultra-right sphere of American politics are thieves. Chris Hayes: And they like to hear fascist rhetoric. Chris Hayes: The podcast is called "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra." And those are some of the really interesting stories that I think are very much lost to history. Rachel Maddow: But also, power corrupts, right? Maddow recently told her viewers it was "nonsense" to believe Trump's word. That was 1940, and then by 1941, we were in World War II, and we moved on. Chris Hayes: As I've been listening to this, I've been thinking about just the rupture that happens with Pearl Harbor. Rachel printed it out from a digital archive for me because the first part of it is all about the anti-semitic menacing that fascist groups were doing in the Bronx in the late 1930s, he wrote. And we are not going to fight them by getting rid of our civil liberties. So all that said, it is a great pleasure to have the one and only Rachel Maddow. So when Doni, our producer who's here, you guys are very closely held with the details of this, which made sense. And shes just this devout, young Catholic woman whos disgusted by it, who infiltrates them, starts on newspaper, pressures the police, gets them raided and takes it on herself, and then --. As its afternoon shows hosted by Ronan Farrow and Joy Reid are canceled due to poor ratings, MSNBC is reportedly planning to replace Chris Hayes with Rachel Maddow. Rachel Maddow: Yeah. Chris Hayes: OK. Once again, my great thanks to my dear friend and colleague, master of all media, Rachel Maddow. You could do the whole thing on, you know, the German agents who were getting the Lindberghs and the other --. There were lots of good baseball players. How are you going to take this very distinct, particular, you know, I think generational ability to tell stories in other fashions and forms and genres. We are in utterly uncharted territory." Ai. I feel like this idea that we're dealing with pro-authoritarian impulses on the right as connected to electoral politics, that being some sort of unprecedented challenge, it doesn't feel unprecedented to me. Chris Hayes: Well, so let's talk about before we get to the podcast --. By MSNBC staff. There's some sort of conventions to some game or genre, whether it's artistic medium or it's a sport, you know, Michael Jordan, Picasso, Steve Jobs, like people that just do this thing that other people are doing. Chris Hayes: -- word for word Goebbels's speech in his newsletter. I think were capable of it. It can be stopped now before it acquires the prestige of success. Chris Hayes: -- because I only had one, and that one was enough. And now I'm done. Chris Hayes: -- totally lost to history. She'll still appear on MSNBC, just not as often. Rachel Maddow: As his own, yes. Chris Hayes: And its also fascinating. And its interesting after Huey Long was assassinated, he had left behind in Louisiana a political machine that still ruled in dictatorial terms over Louisiana politics sort of share our wealth --. So that part of it, like, what have you learned from that storytelling process that you bring over now? Rachel Maddow: Like, you and I have talked about this over the years, about how important that is and how you make sure with your staff there's an expectation that nobody is working through the weekend --, Rachel Maddow: -- yes, stuff comes up and there's --. Here's the thing, I'm in this weird thing where it's like I don't want to spoil it, but kind of have to talk about the content of the podcast. And a lot of the most fascist stuff comes from what it gets in the room. You can see more of our work, including links to things we mentioned here, by going to nbcnews.com/whyisthishappening.Stream the video version of this conversation on Peacock here. D, ask your local clergymen to preach sermons on tolerance. And who did FDR fear more than any other rising leader in the United States was Huey Long. Doni, do you remember what you told him? But this highly. Rachel Maddow: Thanks for being so nice. Point is, Babe Ruth was sort of just doing something different than every other baseball player was doing. Those poor defendants were not convicted. Rachel Maddow: I was going to say, we're going to get a call from Mr. Stern, yeah. I feel like that's part of it all getting scrubbed because it's like, oh, well, that was all before. Chris Hayes: -- you play the Coughlin, its like even if it was in a language I can understand, I'm (ph) like, I think I know probably what hes ranting about. It's about thinking about the way the mind works, right? Rachel Maddow: I found my way to the story a little bit backwards. Rachel Maddow: And, you know, theyre organizing rifle clubs, and its as confrontational as you can get in terms of being an overt pro-Hitler movement designed to destabilize the United States. It kind of worked and he kind of broke it up. Before she went live, the White House responded,. Chris Hayes: -- ballpark, what is this? And I wonder what you think, what is that curtain about. Chris Hayes: -- because its like at some level the comforting story to tell ourselves is that Coughlin is the kind of key instrument or whoever today. Note: This is a rough transcript please excuse any typos. And the fact is that even after Pearl Harbor, the groups that were planning the violent overthrow of the U.S. government, they took on a different caste because then, you know, we were at war. Chris Hayes: Yeah, hes just a parish priest. . Hey, mom, yeah, but I did. I mean, if you take people at face value and you believe that they are arguing earnestly for what they believe, those are fascinating and substantive arguments, which also occluded a lot of active fascist-organizing in the United States at the time. So these sort of grand ideological battles, first against Nazis and fascism, then against communism, and then of course, like, the ultimate victory of liberal democracy as a kind of like teleological story about human development, which we basically all get, like, whether we know it or not --. And some of them, yes, were prosecutors and people working inside the criminal justice system, but some of them were crusading columnists. Listen to Rachel Maddow talk about her new podcast, what it's like to be covering the news in this political moment, how we can use history to make sense of . Rachel Maddow: And then you were in local morning radio and working this hard, and then you were working for the ACLU --. As I'm speaking to you, I think the podcast is available now wherever you get your podcast. A joke dies, they cut it. By Chris Hayes? But I have to ask. And that, to me, is energizing and exciting, and it opens up all these other lines of inquiry, like, one of the things Charles Gallagher writes about in his book is this character Francis Sweeney who tragically dies very young, who played this incredibly intrepid role in exposing the Christian Front in Boston, which was taking funding from the Hitler government, which was showing German military propaganda movies, which was running pogrom-style violence against Boston Jews. And I also was like, I guess, I just never heard of the senator. He is also the host of the Up with Chris Hayes show which airs on weekends. A funny thing happens when you watch a lot of MSNBC: everyone's faces all sort of start to . Harriet Johnson, I only took out in the draft before you got that rough cut, so --, Chris Hayes: Right, because you didn't want to give me two names that I had to manage --. Chris Hayes: Yeah, you do get him in, again, the kind of inter-warriors 101 --, Rachel Maddow: And also, you get him when people are sort of hyperbolically criticizing right-wing media, right? Chris Hayes: Howard Stern, yeah. Also, the pamphlet behind me, which indeed have a swastika on it, is an incredible anti-fascist pamphlet put together by an American christian minister to counter the work of the Christian Front fascist gang, he tweeted. Rachel Maddow: -- fight fascism and save the country. Rachel Maddow: You can express them, and you can --. Rachel Maddow is incredible. Chris Hayes: Thats the other thing, yeah. Similarly, his birthplace is Norwood, Bronx. He served like nine months, wrote Mein Kampf --, Rachel Maddow: -- perfected his ideas of propaganda as being the way to not just seize power but hold power, came out, took him 10 years, and within --. I brought you the whole thing. We put it off a million times for COVID, and then we finally did it. Some of it was, you know, a hostile foreign power, but a lot of it was native borne. Where is the threat to walk out, to boycott, to stand on principle, by Rachel Maddow? Rachel Maddow: -- isolationists to move in, right? So to me, that's like the thing that I feel like I brought to this job that I've tried to hold on to and tried to build on, which is people are capable of absorbing any level of complexity and even obscurity if you do the work to get them there. In its zeal to pin the blame for its own incompetence and for Epsteins crimes on Maxwell, the Government breached its promise. Are you a prosecutor working in the southern district of New York whos, you know, deciding whether or not the FBI thats not interested in these things could be trusted to infiltrate these groups or whether or not youre going to tap these outside activist groups and take their information to build your prosecution around? Tweet us with the hashtag #WITHpod, email WITHpod@gmail.com. Conservative talk show host Dan Bongino's Fox News show has trounced a documentary about his former boss, Barack Obama, in the ratings. We are committed to truth and accuracy in all of our journalism. But the reason the Justice Department put them on trial is bananas and is totally worth telling, and is an incredibly resonant snapshot of a previous iteration of the allure of authoritarianism in this country and what it took to fight it. Is that a history about Hitler? Search us up on TikTok by searching for WITHpod. You made me meet me half the feelings. Rachel Maddow: I think we are capable of generating them. IE 11 is not supported. It's like, could we --, Chris Hayes: I want to follow-up on this. Rachel Maddow: That makes for a good booze ballad. Jon Stewart enters the game - In light of the influence Jon Stewart had in encouraging the passage of the 9/11 first responders bill, The Rachel Maddow Show replays a portion of his interview with Rachel Maddow in which he discusses whether he's a player or spectator in the game of politics. Its a real party. And its a speech --. Its really --. Rachel Maddow: An effort in the United States. Chris Hayes: -- like, Im not doing anything. Why Is This Happening? is presented by MSNBC and NBC News, produced by Doni Holloway and Brendan O'Melia, engineered by Bob Mallory, features music by Eddie Cooper. with me, your host, Chris Hayes. And so, what we end up with is the Justice Department, not stumbling onto but discovering the contours of this plot by the Hitler government to use members of Congress to distribute Nazi propaganda in quantity to the American public. I mean, they were in control but also profoundly corrupt. MSNBC's Rachel Maddow's 9 p.m. show averaged a 2.3 rating, up from a 2.2, and . Rachel Maddow: That makes for a great political speech. Thanks for being so kind. January 17th, 80 years to the day earlier, January 17th, 1940, the front-page story in every newspaper in the country is about the arrest of 17 members of the Christian Front militia. I mean, you can't have people who are afraid to tell you no, you can't. But compartmentalization is important so that you can work this intensely. Chris Hayes: I knew a little bit about the Nuremberg controversy, or not really a controversy but people that objected to Nuremberg. And then you talk about somebody you seen as like running the ideological member line, right? Prosecution does not work and that prosecutor, having been through all those different of the ringer ends up breaking all the rules. I was burning myself out physically and mentally in a way that meant that I was not going to be able to keep doing this for very long. The historical, narrative style pod could hardly be more relevant, as the plot revolves around a sedition trial quite similar to the ongoing Oath Keepers one. Hes the ultimate example of that kind of --, Rachel Maddow: Yes. Rachel Maddow: Yes, and that's got a whole lot of technical elements to it, like, dont --, Rachel Maddow: -- dont use too many proper nouns that are --, Chris Hayes: -- magicians trick, it really is, like --, Rachel Maddow: -- but you know how to do it. It requires attention, and Rachel is supremely gifted at paying attention." Maddow's friend and fellow MSNBC host Chris Hayes, who considers her a mentor, compares her to LeBron James. So we start off with the story of the senator who you've never heard of. Chris Hayes: And you basically got to just constantly work at it, which I think is both more realistic and not the story were told, but is very much illustrated by the story you are telling. Rachel Maddow: -- saying, oh, the Justice Department should have never done this, and these poor Americans were persecuted just for being conservatives. Rachel Maddow: -- who's (ph) Trump's inaugural chairman, as (ph) being a secret foreign agent. And then they orchestrated using agent provocateur. Then they planned a second attack. "We were children together and now we're grey-haired television anchors,". The correspondent was not fired. Rachel Maddow: -- you know, get them arrested. Rachel Maddow: Oh, in terms of legitimately not knowing what's coming next? It's like a physics bridge with the toothpicks and the weight, like, it better be pretty structurally tight --. Rachel Maddow: -- answer whatever e-mails I need to answer that pertain to this evening, and then shutoff and not turn on again until the workday starts again. And I don't buy that chummy, "Thank you, my friend" from Rachel; they rarely chat and you can just cut the tension. And the great sedition trial in the end doesnt work for all sorts of amazing reasons, and he ends his career at the Justice Department. I'm in Rachel's head, and I'm in her world." One of the defendants wrote a book about it. Rachel Maddow: -- 10 years he was chancellor. That's the very first words (ph) --, Chris Hayes: See, I'm doing the thing right now because we're talking about it. The ReidOut. Chris Hayes speaks with MSNBC anchor, author and friend Rachel Maddow about her new podcast, "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra" and more. 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