They are slightly cheaper than the C&J handgrade line, though I am not sure what drives the difference. Thanks Robin. He also claims that Barker use corrected grain leather on some of their shoes I asked them and the is not true. Plain black Oxfords from Churchs who are near the rail station. So for example, they now only curve the waist line on the inside of their shoe, and not the outside. Viberg 2030: 10 - Good fit. Ive gradually moved more towards the Handgrade products, though not entirely, as the range of styles is more limited. One thing I could never understand is why, from lower to higher price points, RTW makers dont provide more width options. Topics include a wide range of brands from Crockett & Jones to Guidi. Is there a reason for that? Exceptional quality and the best quality shoes I own. Extraordinary. JF main line would definitely be in Spain 1. The question there is how long such value lasts, when the company grows or takes on new costs. I wonder how much more comfortable it would be. I have also tried on shoes from Yanko and Septieme Largeur. Well start with three Swedish ones, all making in Spain or Portugal. "But at the same time, I do think you get better value now for a 200 shoe than you did 10 years ago, despite inflation, because theres so much more competition. Would these look good suits ( navy/grey) and trousers ) blues/grey/green/white etc.) Theres so many men who more or less only buy bespoke tailoring, and who can spend enormous amount of money on watches etc. The soles have also had some quality issues my shoes have channeled soles, and the top layer has peeled off repeatedly at the edges. The soles are more durable, the calf leather takes polish better and ages better, elements of the make lead to extra comfort (as do the materials), the make is finer and so looks better, and so on. See and interact with all Instagram stories @PermanentStyleLondon. There's a tiny bit more room at the ball too now. Theyre perhaps most similar to Skolyx, in being a very simple make but with good materials. Click Here to join Styleforum's thousands of style enthusiasts today! Its a long time since Ive worn shoes at that price level, and I simply have no frame of reference. Im starting to wonder if the differential is worth it. So yes, you get more durable suede shoes higher up in the price ranges. Feel free to include any additional information about your feet, such as: Specific circumferential measurements (as requested by Bakers, Russell Moccasin, etc). Styleforum is supported in part by commission earning affiliate links sitewide. Or about 9.5D right foot and 9.4D left foot. My C&J 337 is a bit loose in 10UK but too tight in 9.5UK; my Carmina Simpson Oxford is comfortably snug in 10UK (which is how I like my shoes to fit.) This goes for Allen Edmonds now as well, where they will routinely reach 700 if bought directly from the manufacturer shipped out to Canada. It could be far more expensive than the cost of a single pair if theyre so much more comfortable as they are for you as it would make it harder to wear the shoes are own currently. Carminas are better than Meermin shoes today because of one major thing: Better Material Quality. Very few English RTW offer much in the way of narrow lasts. Why not economical or cost effective or something else which has more neutral/positive connotation unlike cheap. very lucky to have bought 8 pairs of EG at a big discount so my shoe cupboard is overflowing and needs to be trimmed now Ive read PS with some interest over the last year or so, and have enjoyed learning how to dress properly. I have wide feet (I wear 8EEE on the 65 last in Allen Edmonds) so almost none of the regular lasts fit me, except for Forest 7.5EEE. Jack, I havent looked at Weston in quite a while Im afraid Jack, but from what I remember they are around that kind of level, yes. No need to own property, employ shop staff etc etc. * **Gaziano Girling TG73** 8.5EUK comfortable but slight pinching at pinky toe, * **Grant Stone Leo** 8.5D super comfortable boot last, bit roomy, * **Joe Works JOE-0** 8UK instep too low - v gap in oxford laces, * **Loake Capital** 8UK snug with room at the toe, perfect fit, * **Lof and Tung S** 8UK great fit though instep is perhaps a bit high, * **Mattina N** 42EU Great fit with little to no heel slip, instep is like Loake Capital/Carmina Rain, * **Mattina C** 42EU Great fit with little to no heel slip, instep is like Loake Capital/Carmina Rain. A 42 would be too large and a 41 too small. Carminas are more expensive than Meermins. Vanity may well be part of the explanation, its hard to say. I'll update this list as I get new stuff in too. Since its a smaller area than bespoke tailoring, its even more sensitive for these things. Not a thick sock last. This is particularly true in the shoe market, given there are few designer brands spending big budgets on marketing and advertising. I think Carmina sizing, at first, looks simple but if you read into it, there are lots of strange variations. Its got a bit of a shorter toe relative to the heel to ball. Now use your measurement and select the size based on your foot's length (see size chart below). You are of course free to think that theres better sources than Shoegazing. (My feet are only moderately narrow, so I dont have issues with normal width lace up shoes). Personally, I like their lasts quite a bit. Actually Im surprised Crownhill wasnt mentioned here, I thought they were quite popular. Thanks for taking the time to reply. Break-in was tough. Suede from CF Stead and rubber Victory soles. The shoe also felt very light, like it was cheaply constructed. Indeed, stylistically they are even quite close. Theyre both very big brands now.. To me, they have been 100% worth the money. Putting that all aside, what do you think is the difference between mid-range makers (e.g. For what its worth, Ive purchased more boots in the past 3 years than any other style of footwear (dress/service types of models). * **Midas Bootmaker Landshaker** 42EU excellent fit with room to wiggle toes in medium socks. (Portuguese shoemaker) CNES and Fugashin are both high quality shoes and I carefully compared them before deciding that Fugashin was the better and choosing it as my Shoemaker. Old Edlyn is equivalent to a 41.5, * **Winson Qilin** EU42 fantastic fit all round, * **Winson Stark** EU42 Great fit on an engineer, instep is high enough to slip and and off and there is only a bit of heel slip due to the shaped heel. The heel stiffener is a piece of the internal structure of the shoe, which sits inside the heel cup. However about 5 years ago they reached some export deals with local retailers here in Canada and is sold here for over 500, where I used to get them shipped from England for 2-300. Rancourt 800 9D: Great fit. Closed lacing a few mm shy of coming together on day one. I will look for a similar style shoe latest next year. I still recall trying them for the first time after having worn Carmina for some years and noticed the difference instantly. For the price, Meermins are actually really good shoes.if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[336,280],'footslide_com-leader-2','ezslot_16',118,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-footslide_com-leader-2-0'); In the long run, Carmina shoes are better shoes than Meermins. But its worth being sceptical about claims on quality. You know what youre getting. Where C&J excels is in the breath of their offering, but the overall quality wouldnt differ significantly between the two. Im a long term Crockett and Jones customer I buy main line and handgrade (I prefer the handgrade for the softness of the leather and the whole leather inner, which feels lovely). Carminas guidance is down by half for shell or for unlined , in all lasts. Because the level is higher, and also because I wasnt that impressed with Myrqvist either, personally. The $200 Meermins (while being good value for money) is nowhere near the equivalent of a pair of Carminas, and they would be quite far from the likes of G&G or EG. These are all a pretty similar level of make, though you lose a little in the raw-material quality among the cheaper ones, such as Septieme Largeur." It hails from Meermin's Classic Collection, which is the less expensive of the two lines, at 160euro/pair (or roughly $205). With Skolyx the price is cut down by making a basic shoe, but clean and consistent. Crockett & Jones, Churchs, John Lobb, Joseph Cheaney etc. The big differentiating factor is not business model, but location of manufacture. A lot of new brands have been popping up in recent years, too, especially in Asia, and they often feature impressive specs for the price. Ive never heard of it or tried it, and probably wouldnt in the future as I say at the top of this most, this isnt my area of expertise really. I'd probably be good with a 10E. Dress socks. Barker has indeed several models in corrected grain, you find them under hi-shine on their own website. Guess it goes to show how individual it all is. Onderhound New Buteo 41.5: Volume is a little high, but the width and arch length are bang on. I agree they provide an excellent service and are great ambassadors for the brand, which is why I think it is clever of them as a company not to be involved in the complexity of rents, leases, employees etc. CARMINA belvtor.by - CARMINA 100% 10016 U www.clinicarinologica.com - 6.5 CARMINA ecovitaconstrutora.com.br 17,500 . Former Affiliate Vendor Threads; a Locked Forum. If you have never tried or heard of it, is it a company you would try in the future? It's other Asian brands that are likely to become known in the West first, though. In that regard, let me plug TLB as a particularly sound value proposition. The subreddit about quality footwear. I find that you almost always get what you pay for when it comes to goodyear welted shoes and both of these shoemakers are a big step up from all the budget tier brands I have tried in terms of materials, fit, craftmanship and durability. This is the next level down of Spanish brands, more on a par with the Swedish start-ups in terms of quality, but much bigger organisations. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Some RTW still offer width varieties but I believe the manufacturers found that those with narrow feet didnt suffer if the shoes were too wide. He is, at the moment, offering something special forum readers. (I think I prefer the darker colour of the first). I started out with Allen Edmunds because they offer reasonably priced shoes (for Americans) with decent quality. Given I can purchase a pair of CJ for 650 retail shipped from England this is not a great value. It is something that is destroying the reputation not only for these brands but for bespoke shoes in general. Buying a pair of Meermins is not a decision that you are going to regret, trust me. Unfortunately they offer less Goodyear welted shoes these days. Good point Ben, Im not sure. I have a pair of Berwick chukkas and theyre pretty decent but they also dont feel as good to wear as the AEs (personally I wish Id spent more money on a higher quality make, but the store was out of C&J chukkas at the time). I have loafers on their Xim and they're too big for my by a hair. The leather feels like a glove and is truly unlined (to the extent that the uppers almost collapse under their own weight), unlike Carminas unlined shoes which dont feel all that different from normal lined shoes. Ive also, more recently, experienced the customer service at GC and G&G excellent in both cases, as was the consistently good service at the Little Cheaney shop in Leeds, when I lived in the North of England. It's been a while, but I didn't have any complaints after break in. For the brands mentioned in this article, everyone uses split suedes, except Carmina and TLB Mallorca (C&J mainly have splits for Benchgrade, while they use reverse calf for Handgrade). The US has several brands that fit into this discussion - some old, some new. There might be a wide heel seat, for example, but then even some expensive English shoes like John Lobb have that.. Id love to step up to Crocketts as Ive heard great things. What type of heel stiffener do they use? Churchs is particularly egregious in this respect, given the quality (though, sometimes to my regret, their 173 last fits me like a glove in a UK 12E). if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[580,400],'footslide_com-medrectangle-3','ezslot_13',107,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-footslide_com-medrectangle-3-0');Let us see what Carmina shoes and Meermin shoes look like at first glance: One of the most elegant shoes out there today is the Carmina shoes. When I was measured at Alden Madison and an AE store, both actually said I should lean toward 10D TTS, due to my flat feet and low instep, which led to many bad purchases. Alden TruBalance 9D: Its just so good. Allen Edmonds is perhaps most similar to Loake or Barker. I think one point that was briefly touched on but very important is that the different brands price point will be really different depending where you are. I happily pay the very reasonable cost for a brand providing a certain width, a good service, retaining the lasts that suits me and other added values. Simon: I understand that there are certain differences between more expensive shoes and less expensive shoes. Low instep fits me perfectly. And with the double-insoles system in place, comfort is guaranteed with Meermins. Where would you fit in Carlos Santos? Steve. Overall - and this all has to be generalisation - with English shoes you get a solid make and good quality control. Alexander 9E/9.5D: Excellent fit when worn sockless. Quoddy maliseets in lined suede: 11D, fits amazingly. Regarding AE, theres certainly been a change since their most recent acquisition in 2017. meister Stylish Dinosaur Joined Feb 10, 2007 Messages 10,772 Reaction score 2,515 Dec 28, 2011 #9 Have been on a Brannock only once. Overall fairly similar to TLB but a little sleeker overall, with tighter cut soles, more dense stitching, and (in my opinion) sleeker lasts. Most brands provide one width per shoe/last, which in the end really limits your ability to find the right fit (not to mention, to find the right fit for the shoe you actually want to buy). Jesper's information was based on information by two Carmina retailers. And all the time there are new makers trying to offer quality for a little less, for a saving of 50 perhaps - or trying to up their quality at the same price. Because my older Carmina heel stiffener are longer and substantial that the newer ones. Doc Martens or Loake 1880 for Chelsea boots ? It is still quite hard to fathom the yearly price increases on EG shoes given their pitiful customer service. Would really appreciate any advice you can give! Fit seemed good at first but toe box is just too narrow for extended wear. Just make sure Trickers does not end up too chunky for you. Thus, not likely to be much different from your C&J in terms of make, but the last and the leather may differ. The comment is only in reference to leather. I own two loafers by Morjas, one stretched so much that my heel keeps slipping out. Most of our ready to wear production goes from size 6UK to 12UK, but if you happen to wear a smaller or larger size, we can definitely help & specially make any pair from our collection for you. In general, I think this breakdown demonstrates that you still largely get what you pay for with shoes. First impressions tell us most of what we need to know about certain products. Grant Stone Leo 9D: Solid fit. 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